- PRESTON’S PROPOSITION – “Τhe Bible teaches that 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, i.e. the coming of Christ at His Parousia in A.D. 70, was the return of God to man, to dwell forever, reuniting heaven and earth in spiritual fellowship and life, versus a departure or removal of the then living saints from the earth.” — Don K. Preston
- STEVENS’ PROPOSITION – “1 Thess 4:13-18 (and Scripture) teaches that at the Parousia the dead (plural) in Christ were raised out of Hades in the unseen realm to receive their new immortal bodies that were reserved in heaven for them (1 Cor 15:37-38; 2 Cor 5:1). Then the living saints had their mortal bodies changed into immortal bodies (1 Cor 15:51-52; 2 Cor 5:2-4; Php 3:21), which put them into the unseen realm with the resurrected saints. Then both groups of saints were “caught up together” to meet Christ and remain with him forever afterwards in the unseen realm (1 Thess 4:17; Matt 24:31; John 14:3).” – Ed Stevens
The Bible Teaches, – I think it’s safe to say what Don teaches and what the Bible teaches is two different things. The claim is always that “I’m just teaching what the Bible teaches and then what follows is completely opposite of what people have understood for2000 years. Does the majority always win or should win? Yes, when it comes to truth. If the majority of people agree the color of blue is like the color of the sky, then “the sky is blue” is truth. In Bible interpretation, to arrive at truth, one must start with the definition of words. If the definitions of words remain the same the meaning of the verse stays the same forever. Jess wept. Means Jesus cried, that’s truth and it never can change. When an Eschatological system redefines words from their standard meaning it is no longer truth.
In the case of “Resurrection of the dead” it has been understood for 2000 years that it is the “standing again of a corpse” Ed Stevens changes the meaning as does “Michael Miano, and many others to “Standing again of the “dead ones’.” Which does not mean the same thing. The words nekron is the word we get for a dead body, and used in words like necrophilia, necropsy, necrosis, which are also words used in describing a dead body. A dead person in scriptures is described as being “asleep” because it is the body that has no life and is laying down UNTIL life reenters the body therefore the body is not dead, in the sense that it can never come back to life, as was the intent of Jesus concerning Lazarus who was only “asleep”. Death is the absence of life, and life is described as being alive in this present world. Once the body ceases to function you have biological death and the spirit departs to the other realm, yet it does not die, sleep, or cease to exist. It remains conscience in that other realm and does not “sleep”. It is alive in the sense it exists, but it does not have life, as defined by living in this physical world. The standing again of a corpse then was said to be about a dead body in the grave that “lays down in death”, is now standing again.
Ed Stevens and Miano and others redefine nekron as “dead ones” to convey the idea it is not the body that is standing again but the person who soul is in Hades is “standing again”, which of course makes no sense since its not laying down. Preston seems to abandon the position all together that the dead are even resurrection out of hades, he seems to have bypassed this idea all together and makes the Resurrection of the dead all about the people who are alive. We find then at least Ed is more consistent by acknowledging the Resurrection concerns those who have died. This might be a glaring over sight on Don’s part, but I am not inclined to watch over two hundred you tube videos to figure out how he deals with the “dead in Christ”, which of course has to be about biological death. The very words used in I Thessalonians 4. No person can argue that a person in Christ is spiritually dead, since Paul stated, “we are made alive in Christ”. Let it suffice to say that Don position and what he will argue is that the “dead in Christ” was Old Testament Israel or some other gibberish close to that fact.
So in Don’s world “Resurrection of the dead” is people coming out of Spiritual death and has nothing to with “what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?” which of course implies people are being baptized for dead people thinking that somehow that will save them after they have biologically died. This is another topic Don seems to have completely skipped over. Basically, his whole approach to the subjects of I Corinthians 15 is to tie it in with chapter 5 and claim it’s the same thing spiritually, as if Paul is repeating himself again cryptically. Of course, also I Thessalonians 4 is just repeating I Corinthians 5.
Getting back to Ed’s ideas one thing really troubles me. How can Ed claim that those who are alive, their bodies are instantly changed in to the new glorious body but the dead body in the ground can’t be raised and changed in the same way?
-And the dead in Christ will rise first. – I Thess 4
-and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. – I Corinthians 15:54
the soul was never described in scriptures as ever being perishable – only the body of flesh.
It was and is always the body that is perishable, subject to corruption and mortal, subject to physical death, and is changed to become Immortal and imperishable. This was pointed out in Michael’s errors as well.