I’m starting to believe that Preterists worship the time statements. Not one post seems to go by without someone bringing up how futurist twist, ignore, or circumvent “Time Statements”. So let’s put the shoe on the other foot.
Paul uses the word “epiphaneia” six times in reference to Christ coming. It is never used in any other context. ἐπιφάνειαν.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 – bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.
2 Timothy 4:8 will award to me on that day–and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.
The use of this word demands that Christ himself will be seen on that day. Yet every verse in which it talks of his appearing, at his coming the preterists goes to great lengths to argue that he does not appear, it’s an invisible coming, or that the clouds over Jerusalem was him, or the angels and chariots, in which none of things are Christ nor did any of them descend out of heaven to the Mount of Olives. Or all that we are supposed to see is the signs of his coming but not actually see him.
Which brings up the next point;
I Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.
Not one preterist has Christ descending out of clouds even though that’s what Paul states and the Angel in Acts 1 promised. If you listen to Don or any other “teacher” they all wiggle out of the plain statements. Then have the gaul to claim futurists ignore time statement?
By ignoring the nature of his coming as an appearing and do everything to argue against his appearing how is that not just like your charge of Preterists against futurist of ignoring time statement?
What else do they wiggle out of…
Christ has a “glorious body”, the answer we get in return is that it’s a “spiritual” body therefore it is invisible. I’m sorry but show me one place where a “spiritual” means invisible? Oh wait – I was told since the word “spirit” in it therefore it must mean “spirit”. People, “spiritual” the word is an adjective it used to describe a “body” a being spiritual, and in context of I Corinthians 15 a “fleshy” body of a person, so spiritual means it is of a Heavenly realm, it originates in heaven or is crated made and comes from heaven. The children of Israel ate a “spiritual” food in the desert, Manna. Food that was very substantial and yet from heaven and not made by human hands. Manna was not Invisible or “spirit” form. There is no verse in which a human body is anything but physical. Body is always made of substance when even referencing the Body of Christ since it is made up of physical people, spiritual people who are not invisible.
A Resurrection of the dead like Christs, where a dead body comes out of the ground, for example Mathew 27, “The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. This is what has been understood for 2000 years based on many scriptures that talks about the redemption of the body, and every preterists turns it into the heresy of “the Body of Christ is being redeemed” at his coming.
What a load of Hog Wash.
The Body of Christ, his church, the elect, was never ever sold under bondage to sin. They are the called-out ones who have been made a new creation in Christ and so become the Body of Christ. It was never in need of redemption. The individual was redeemed to enter into the Body of Christ.
“every eye will see him” , turns into a “Perceived” appearing in which they know he came yet Barnabas and John along with many others who lived after never said or declared he came, and yet professed a future coming yet to happen. Which in turn the preterist argues they were all apostate, they lied, the letters are forgeries, and on and on.
It’s unbelievable, the Apostle Barnabas who walked with Paul on many journeys, who lived and wrote after A.D. 70 talked of Jerusalem’s destruction, his letter was accepted as cannon for at least the first two hundred years and finally removed, and what did he say concerning Jerusalem?
He again says, Behold, they who have cast down this temple, even they shall build it up again. It has so happened. For through their going to war, it was destroyed by their enemies; and now: they, as the servants of their enemies, shall rebuild it.
and then also stated,
“This means: when His Son, coming, shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.
So why do Preterist have to tear everything down about this Epistle? Because it disproves Preterism on every level. Yet this is the Apostle Barnabas who said this, yet because “it’s not inspired” – oh wait the book was almost included in the Cannon, but the same men who decided not to add it, did include what they believed was inspired – but yet they were all too stupid to know Christ returned in A.D. 70?
So we supposedly ignore a few time statements while the preterists deny a host of passages that details the nature of his coming. Don invents “timing dictates the nature” which is a short way of saying Paul lied about his appearing when he comes. They accuse us futurists of manipulating scriptures and what do they do? Mangle it beyond recognition. In actuality we futurists (not all) agree Jerusalem was destroyed according to the Prophecies of Jesus in the Olivet and confirm the same by the ECF who professed the same. YET believed in the future return.
So why is it so hard to understand that the time statements of the Gospels are intended for the fulfillment of Jerusalem destruction but has nothing to do with a second appearing since even preterists know he did not appear, and instead of trying to understand why he did not appear, they deny he was to appear, then try to manipulate scripture to prove he did appear but it was not “Jesus himself” who did. No one perceived he came. We are not denying time statement we are qualifying as to what was coming; Judgment on Jerusalem. Not Christ himself as even Preterists affirm Christ did not come, he did not stand on the mount of Olives, he did not appear to anyone. OH but wait He promised to appear in that generation, so he is not a liar, he had to have come and appeared. Again, everyone was too stupid, including John who was living in Asia at the time, and said He would see him, didn’t. He only promised Judgment would come. Not himself.
So if we made a list of every scripture concerning the resurrection, his coming, all of I Cor 15, all of Revelations, and you have a 100 time statements? who wins. Who has more scriptures to prove the other side is wrong?
So the sad truth the Preterist accuse “futurists” of twisting and ignoring time statements while ignoring their own blindness.
Who butchers more? Its been proven time and time again Preterists.
Just read Preterists comments to know.
Stephen Whitsett M.Div.