IBV? I Think You Have a Severe Problem

It only takes but one major blow to unravel a faulty system of interpretation, meaning if we can show how the premise is illogical and sound reasoning is absent like a house of cards, the one bump sends the rest down.

In the IBV it builds its foundation on the fact the Resurrection of the dead is the souls out of Hades and is never about the Body coming out of the grave, reanimated by the spirit.  Yet not one Biblical example of Resurrection does it ever suggest that a soul exists Hades and just goes to heaven by passing the body in the grave. For example, in Mathew 27:52, 53

The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

If resurrection was never about a corpse coming out of the ground, then why is every example of Resurrection about a corpse coming out of the ground?

Why is the technical Greek word “Anastasis Nekron” created to describe the dead body – Nekron from which we get the word corpse (not dead ones) standing again”?  aná, “up, again” and /hístēmi, “to stand”)

Now Rich states,

Those individuals which were expressly judged as just, in THE Resurrection of all the dead persons out from Sheol (souls of out Sheol/Hades), put on their very own individual spiritual immortal incorruptible body when they were resurrected out from Sheol in 70 AD.

 Our problem here with the statement is this; Rich and IBV claims that the person exits Hades and gets a new body, his old one remains in the ground and turns to dust.

Paul in I Cor 15 repeats the question posed to him; “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?

In his answer does he not start by using an analogy? A seed going into the ground? Does not a body go into the ground?

What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.  It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.  It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

What is sown is the body into the ground, lowly mortal and perishable. What is raised? An imperishable immortal body. So where do we get the idea the body that goes into the ground never comes out? When Paul says “IT IS RAISED” , what is the it? The body that was sown into the ground.

Because Paul is saying the body goes into the ground and something comes out from the exact same place. Jesus was raised in an immortal imperishable body and it was the same exact body that went into the ground and raised differently, it still had the scars. A body, different yet but comes out from what was put into the ground. Where does it say he recreates a body for people when they come out of Hades and they go straight to heaven? Especially if he did not do this for Jesus? If Jesus is the example of Resurrection, why do we assume our resurrection is any different?

I’m sorry folks but Paul insists as does every example it’s the body that was laid in the grave is what comes out, we don’t get some other created one when we get to heaven.

He goes on to say.


Those individual believers who were “alive and remaining” on Earth at the time, went through their very own unique bodily change….They (those “alive and remaining”) were “further clothed upon” with their very own spiritual immortal incorruptible body and, they were no more on Earth – as they were “swallowed up in glory” and they were “caught up” to be with those who were involved with the Resurrection (those who were judged “Just.”) (See 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18)

Houston, we have problem:

The Apostle John who lived to about 98-100 AD died. He was not caught up, or did he claim to be a part of the change that happened or was he changed to be immortal and imperishable.

Then just imagine every believer in the whole Roman world just disappears and no one knows, well except for the few hundred or so who continued with the church like Barnabas and other Christians who wrote letters soon after AD 70. They missed it all and remained mortal and so had to die later.

Every preterist who holds to a literal changing of the saint has to deny the testimony of the ECF and history and rewrite it because everything about it disprove their paradigm. Its becomes the biggest scam in the world. It just didn’t happen in AD 70.

Now I have just destroyed the IBV with just two things? The resurrection of the Dead IS the body out of the Ground, and “we who are alive are changed” did not happen in AD 70. So what to do?

Abandon the IBV view and all of preterism because it’s a sinking ship.

Stephen Whitsett M.Div.